Ellen has outdone herself in getting this transcript to us within mere hours of the recording. I’m posting it without having proofed it. I’ll proof it tomorrow before it goes out to the daily digest.
In the transcript Grener discusses his willingness to take a group of around 20 terrestrials on board his mothership, the Neptune, this Saturday for a ten-day voyage to the stars – and back!
If it doesn’t happen, you can send my mail to the Himalayas. If it does, then we shall disclose. The governments of the world have had their chance and now it’s our turn to push the matter forward.
An Hour with an Angel, January 30, 2012, with Grener of Ashira, President of the Intergalactic Council
Graham Dewyea: Hello, and welcome to An Hour with an Angel, a weekly radio program with Linda Dillon, the channel for the Council of Love, and Steve Beckow editor of the 2012 Scenario who will be asking questions. Tonight we have special guest Grener of Ashira from Neptune, the President of the Intergalactic Council. So with that, I’ll pass it on to you, Steve.
SB: Thank you very much, Graham, and good evening, Grener.
Grener: Good evening, and thank you for this surprising and delightful invitation to speak to the people of the world.
SB: Thank you for coming. And, sir, how do I address you? Because you are the President of the Intergalactic Council, and it seems a little strange for me to be addressing you as Grener. How do I address you, please?
G: I would like it if you would call me Grener.
SB: All right.
G: I would like it if all of you would call me Grener.
G: Yes, I am President of the Intergalactic Council, and that is my honor and title for the time being. But we know that these things come and go. But I will always be Grener. Prior to being President of this Intergalactic Council I was Commander in Chief of the Unified Forces of the Outer Galaxies, what you think of as star fleets. And still people called me Grener. So I would be honored if you would do so, too.
SB: All right, sir. And you’re from Neptune, but Neptune in our dimension does not seem to be able to support life, as far as I’m aware. What dimension are you speaking to us from?
G: I am speaking to you – let me say I am meeting you in the fifth dimension and the seventh dimension. I am from the eleventh and twelfth dimension[s]. Now, long ago, long, long ago, there was a form of life on Neptune, and it has been one of my favorite places forever. But it is also a reference to the name of my ship, the ship on which I reside and have resided for a very long time, and that is called the Neptune.
Often you will have us, many of us, as you come to know your star brothers and sisters and different members of the Council of the Intergalactic way, you will know that we are called by the title of our ship, because it has been home. So yes, we can travel inter-dimensionally, that is not a problem. And that’s exactly what we have done, actually, to travel to Earth. So here we are.
SB: Well, thank you, sir. Am I correct in assuming that you’ve asked to address our listeners this evening, that you have something that you wish to discuss with them?
G: I want them to begin to more consciously understand what is transpiring in the bigger picture. And yes, I have a message for your listeners. Would it be agreeable to you if we were to begin with a little explanation of the Intergalactic Council? Because I do not think that this is something that all of your listeners and readers are familiar with.
SB: Please do, sir.
G: I do so because there are many parallels to this situation that is now occurring on Earth. Tens of thousands of years ago, many of you remember the intergalactic wars. And if you do not remember, then that is a gift, for it is nothing to really be fondly remembered. It was a time of great devastation, of destruction, a time when many of the situations and paradigms that became so prevalent upon your planet of Earth, of Gaia, were rife throughout many universes. The wars took its toll. And many planets, and of course everything upon them, were destroyed. And there was much mayhem and hatred, intolerance. And what probably you would think of as genocide took place.
And so the first Intergalactic Council was formed. And I would add that that is the form upon which your United Nations, and even your earlier League of Nations, was modeled after. For this is not a new concept, you know. For a long time, I would say thousands of years, the wounds of war took a long time to heal. But the fighting stopped, and the murdering stopped. The bloodshed stopped. And so what took place was the building of tolerance and understanding amongst people of different galaxies – of different universes in some cases.
And then, what started out as mere tolerance became appreciation, inter-cultural appreciation. We developed ways in which to resolve differences and to appreciate diversities without having to resort to violence. That was the primary purpose, in what we call the early years, it was that war and violence against one another would cease.
But it grew and it flourished. And yes, for this we have a great deal to thank our beloved Archangel Michael, for he was pivotal in assisting us with much of this undertaking.
[The inter-council group (barking)…. I must – take care of this dog.
SB: Take your time.
G: I do not think that dog is from Sirius.] I will be brief.
What happened with our Intergalactic Council is that it became a form of mutuality, of understanding, of cooperation, of trade, of commerce, of science, of medicine, of healing. And we came to honor and respect our differences. We grew, just the same way that everybody upon the Earth is growing and changing.
Now, 13 of your years ago, Earth was invited to take their place at the table, to take their place in full membership with the Intergalactic Council. And it marked the coming of age for Earth. And at that time what transpired is we sought amongst what you would think of as political leaders. Announcements were given, invitations were issued. But those who accepted the invitation, and the primary being who sits at this table with us, as the representative of Earth and as head of your delegation, is Wakanataka [Wakan Tanka? Note: Wakan Tanka is Lakhota for the Great Spirit or Great Mystery]. And he is a very ancient being – and notice that I do not say ‛spirit’– for he is the being that has tended those who have tended the council fire of Gaia.
And during that time of the initiation and the welcoming of your planet to this Intergalactic Council, there was also a shift of who tends this council fire of Gaia, for always it had been ancient Earth beings. Now that is not so, for some of them have joined with us, and some of our star beings – your star brothers and sisters – now tend and watch over that life flame, that council fire, the heart of Gaia. So there was a great deal of transition that took place.
Now, we do not want to give the impression that this was all done on a spiritual level. Membership in this Council has come to be seen and accepted as an honor, but also as a very real responsibility.
There were not political – what you could think of as political – leaders of that day that were prepared to step forward, to announce the membership, what you would think of as Disclosure, and to truly join in the fullness of membership in the Council, which would have meant – and will mean, by the way – the fullness of sharing, of trade, of commerce.
Now, the fleets that hover above your planet – and there are many – they are related to us, because all of these beings, all of these cultures, all of these planets, all of these galaxies have representatives upon the Council. But we do not control them or seek to control the various fleets. But the rule of cooperation throughout all of the Intergalactic Council territory, as it were, is one of peace, one of cooperation, of non-aggression, of non-violence – and of love. These are our guiding principles, and these are principles that we have learned over thousands of years to put into very practical application.
Now, you are present at the table. My brothers and sisters of Earth, you are present at this table. And there has never been truly an official welcome. So that is the first thing I would like to do tonight, is to welcome each and every one of you. Yes, you are citizens of Earth, you are children of Gaia, but you are also our brothers and sisters of love. And we have positioned ourselves close to you to participate, to help, to assist – no, not as foreign aid, but as equals. As equals.
And this is the thing that so many upon the planet, and particularly those in political situations that are so anxious to maintain power, they do not fully realize, not only do we come in peace, we come and ask to be treated as equals. We have no designs – and I will speak on behalf of the fleets as well in this matter. We have no need of your resources. We do not need your bounty, we do not need your food, we do not need your water, we do not need your minerals, we do not need or seek to take anything that is on Earth. And we most certainly do not wish to ever impose our will, our beliefs, or our views upon the collective. But what we do wish to do is to share our views, to share our knowledge.
Now, we have done that through this Council and through your participation – because you have not been absent, you were fully represented – and we have had agreement, what you sometimes think of as [plants?], and we have begun to share intergalactic and galactic star knowledge in your information systems, in your technology, in what you think of as medicine and healing, in your culture and your music, in the very sounds that your ears are able to perceive.
But it is time. That is why I come tonight. That is why I have been nudging, hither and yon. We respectfully request for all Earthlings, for all human beings, for all brothers and sisters of Gaia to acknowledge their membership in this Council and to acknowledge us, your brothers and sisters of the stars. You are in a very rapid time-frame, and you are hearing that from one who is ancient, one who thinks in terms of thousands of years. And we know – we listen in to your broadcasts as well, you know, and so we know – this broad discussion around time and dates. We are not asking for a date. What we are asking is in this day and in this time for each of you to acknowledge not just our presence but your presence with us, that we may move your participation in this Council, in this Intergalactic Council, to the next level.
It was never intended that you be a junior partner. We don’t have junior partners. We are anxious to help. We know about Ascension and we know about shift. But what we are really good at is love. And that is what we desire to share with you. And we cannot understand why one would say no.
If you have suspicions and fears, we will talk about them, and we will resolve them – with mediation, with communication, and with open hearts. We did not just travel all this way; we did not position and bring the Council, even, all this way, to simply be observers. We have been observers of what has been transpiring upon your planet for a very long time. And we held the planet herself, Gaia, in a bubble of pink for many, many decades, so as the axis and your polar caps wanted to shift, they were held intact. When oceans wanted to split aside, they were held intact.
But that has even been removed, because you have graduated. You have assumed responsibility for yourselves and for your beloved planet. But why would you wish to sit alone? You are one, and you are part of a magnificent galaxy, but there is so much more. So it is time for each of you to begin Disclosure.
Yes, go ahead, Steve.
SB: You have brought up many [things or themes?] which I’ve been wanting to address with you. We humans are also eager for disclosure, and we’re eager to meet with you. And so I have a request to make of you. I’m not sure if you already know my request, or know that I’ve been planning to make a request of you. Have you been aware of that?
G: I know that you have been thinking very diligently about how this opportunity of union can come together. And I am with you in this.
SB: Thank you. Oh, very good. Well, here is my request.
The governments are dragging their feet on Disclosure, and oftentimes we individuals think, well, there’s nothing we can do. But there is in fact something we can do.
We ask you to receive 20 of us, to take us aboard your mothership, to introduce us to the council and to Ashtar and other of your officers, perhaps even to take us on a trip to Sirius or the Pleiades or Neptune or Arcturus, and then return us to Earth so that we can spearhead Disclosure. Would you accept that proposal?
G: Yes. Yes, I do, on behalf of the entire Intergalactic Council, and yes, I do so on behalf of the Unified Forces of the Outer Galaxies, and that would include the Ashtar Command.
SB: Thank you.
G: We have already thought about who we would like, because many of you have already been, consciously and un-, aboard our ships our fleets. But it would be most appropriate that you would visit the mothership. And I would suggest to you that the Neptune is a beautiful – a beautiful ship. And what we would also suggest, that 20 would be a minimum. But yes, we will…we will…I will help you, my staff will help you coordinate this.
SB: All right. Thank you. I – we – no sooner discussed this than 20 people cam forward immediately. I’d be most happy to have more join us. Now, I’m sure you know that we have discussed various arrangements, we’ve discussed Disclosure and the Abundance Program and what have you, and we’ve dealt a lot with the word ‛soon’, and I think most people are a little wary of making arrangements that could happen ‛soon’. Could we please have a definite date from you where we could begin this journey, so that we can plan?
G: We can do this in your parlance – because we are always on high alert, you know – we can do this basically right away. We will touch the humans that we know are – and we will let you know who they are – who are the best positioned. So what I mean by that is that we are going to ask those who would not have any hesitation upon return of sitting with the media and creating a credible presence. And so, yes, we will begin this right away. So when we say ‛right away’, it does not need to be translated. We can begin this within this week.
SB: All right. And for the benefit of the people who may be involved – I’ve already spoken to 20 people of the, so 20 from the total – could we say that the trip will commence on Saturday?
G: Saturday is a good….
SB: Saturday is a good day? All right. So we will then prepare for that, and we’ll assume that you will include other people…
G: Yes, and make sure that families are left so that they do not fear the fact that their beloved ones have disappeared.
SB: All right.
G: They’ve just taken a holiday, a brief holiday.
SB: Indeed. And I think that will be the best contribution to Disclosure that we, as human beings, could possibly make.
G: You know, we did something very similar long ago.
SB: The Italian…?
G: We would take [ ? ] to different quadrants, and particularly quadrants that had been war torn. And once they had the experience it changed them permanently, and they became the strongest advocates for peace and cooperation. So do not be surprised when you see Michael leading the way.
SB: I’ll be happy to see Michael.
G: Yes. He is always happy to see you.
SB: Thank you. Here’s a question – I wanted to discuss this with you right off the bat so that we wouldn’t run out of time. Perhaps I could now turn to a question, and that is that our good friend Adamu of the Pleiadean Monad has said that Disclosure will not happen until after Ascension, and that the service-to-other forces here are not able to make Disclosure happen. Is that a correct estimation?
G: No. No, it is not completely correct. Do not forget that there are now millions of beings that are ascending. So it is best put that it could not happen perhaps until the Ascension doorway was open, but that doorway is open. And so is ours.
SB: So the … so the message that we’ve been hearing from Archangel Michael and Sanat Kumara and others that Ascension will happen – here’s this dreaded word – ‛soon’ is more accurate than the message that it won’t happen until after Ascension. Is that correct?
G: That is correct. .
SB: All right, that’s …
G: It is already underway.
SB: That’s very good.
G: Otherwise I would not be sitting here, delightful as it is, I would not be sitting here having this delightful conversation with you.
SB: Absolutely. What obstacles are we encountering at the present time to Disclosure?
G: The biggest obstacle – and it is one that I have tried to address in my opening comments to everybody, and I would like this message to go far and wide – is that we do not have an aggressive agenda. Now, you know – and Michael referred also last week to some of the, umm, behind-the-scenes adjustments that have been taking place with regards to, umm, military armaments. Now, let us back up even further. And by the way, there have always been observers from your National Security Council as part of the Earth delegation. So it is not that they are not aware of what is going on, and fully involved as well.
There are sectors of your society that are entrenched in the belief of their power. And that power, and how they have manipulated thought patterns and emotional patterns, has been through fear. So this best example is if you would go back to the cold war where there was such friction and such fear that a nuclear warhead would be dropped on your schoolhouse if certain things were not adhered to. And this was a game that was very popular, and many, many participated in.
Now, those who have had that kind of power – and sometimes it is military, sometimes it is financial, those are the two biggest obstacles – and they do not want to give [up] what they think they still have. Now, the irony in this is that they think they have it. And because they think they have it, they are also able to dupe others into thinking they have it. That is not really the case.
Now, I have no desire to create fear or threatening situations, because what happens – and it does not matter whether it was in [Zerais?] or on Earth – people become reactive, defensive. So that is the last thing we want to do.
But those in power cling. And now you can say – you have an expression, holding on by their nails, or the skin of their teeth, and that is exactly what is going on. And that is why we are pushing the envelope. You think that you – and I know, dear brother, that you – are anxious, excited, and want this opening. But so do we. We want to help, we want to observe, we want to see what you build that looks like love.
Yes, there are dimensional shifts and paradigm shifts, but what we really want to witness and to participate where we are welcome, is to see how do you build with love. Because this is a model. This will be changing many universes. So the obstacles, the biggest obstacles are simply those – and it is a human obstacle – that are clinging to false illusions of their own power, or the power of their nation, a misplaced belief that there are boogie men behind every bush, and that they must defend to the death. That is a very outmoded and outdated way to live. And more importantly, it is not even a nice way to live. It is not a joyous way to live.
That lack of joy, the heaviness of those belief systems, is what has abbreviated human life spans. You were not constructed just to last several decades! So these obstacles can be blown away like dust, and they can be blown away by the sharing of concrete evidence, yes, but also by the anchoring of understanding.
SB: All right, thank you. Just before continuing with questions – I don’t want to run out of time and forget to ask you these very short questions – how long will people be away for? How many days would you estimate?
G: Don’t forget we travel very fast!
SB: I actually am aware of that. [laugh]
G: Now, we will [ ? ] so that there is an accommodation, because there are some physical considerations that need to be taken into account. But no, you will not get space travel illness. That will be taken care of. We have taken care of that a long, long time ago. You can anticipate being gone about ten days.
SB: Ten days? All right. And what do they need to take with them?
G: Their toothbrush. That is a joke. [laugh]
SB: [laugh] What – what else?
G: They do not need to take much. And the pick-up will be rather rapid. So understand that as well. Take what is meaningful to them. So even though you know that we have communication tools, bring your own. Yes, they will work onboard, whether it is a journal or an Ipad or a camera. But also bring those things that will bring you comfort, because you will be in an alien environment. Now, the ship is very comfortable, let me reassure you. But you will be in a very different environment. It will be amazing. It will be phenomenal. But it will be alien. So bring what comforts you. And if that is your flannel pajamas, do that; if it is your teddy bear or your rosary, do that. Bring what comforts you, and bring pictures of your family.
SB: All right. Do we need to bring 10 days’ worth of dress, or … how?
G: No, we have ways of cleaning as you walk through a door.
SB: Okay, that’s very good. And how should we dress – informally, or more formally?
G: We … the … what you will find on board ship is that we tend to stay in uniform, but when we are off duty, they tend to be very casual. It is about comfort, so there can be no suits, no ties. Bring a sweatshirt, bring comfortable clothes, and bring what you call running shoes.
SB: You’re describing my favorite outfit, so that’s fine with me. And how shall I convey the names to you of the twenty or slightly more, because I predict that I’m going to get some call probably this evening from a few people, how do I convey the names to you?
G: How public do you want this? I do not want their houses or their homes to be harassed. Send them to Linda.
SB: Send them to Linda? What arrangement would you like us to make? Or – we won’t be talking to you before next week.
G: Yes, you will be.
SB: How’s that, Grener?
G: You will be talking with us. But, yes, –
G: When you make the arrangements, do not worry about people being picked up. As long as they feel that they are ready for – transmittal, on the Saturday, that is what we will plan on.
SB: All right. Okay, that …
G: So the gathering of our guests will take place on Saturday.
SB: All right. And I’m presuming that you have all that in hand. We don’t have to worry about the details.
G: We have the ability, we have limousine service. They are called space bicycles.
SB: Okay. Gee! What form do they take? Are they like small ships?
G: Yes, that is correct.
SB: Okay. Well, this is very exciting. This is very, very exciting. All right, I – so, we have about 10 minutes, 15 minutes left to go, and perhaps I can ask you some questions that listeners have sent in, if that’s okay?
G: I would be honored.
SB: All right. First of all, has the divine deadline for Disclosure itself passed?
Oh, yes. It passed quite a while ago.
SB: So it didn’t automatically mean that you would disclose. So what is the meaning of divine [deadline], given that it’s past? What did the passing result in?
G: It’s resulted in us formulating a plan where we would be able to bring forward what we thought the human beings would do on their own. So you’re witnessing part of that tonight. What it did was to bring into place a different, perhaps a more assertive, injection of energy to ensure that this came to pass.
We don’t really care about politicians, because it is not politicians that sit at our Council table. Or it is not politicians of the ilk of how you think of politicians. We don’t care so much, and the Divine doesn’t care if the politicians announce what is already known far and wide. What we have cared about has been that they, in fact, would create fear-mongering, so that it would go the other way. So that if Disclosure was made, they would say, “These are our enemies, and we must active our military forces to combat those who would come to rule us.”
Now, ideally, yes, we wanted those who we respect as the head, the elected officials of different countries – your G-20 – to come forward and say, “We have a magnificent announcement to make,” and it would have been done in a very unified setting. But this underlying power, this desire to maintain power with missile silos and monetary control got in the way.
But the Divine has a way of helping us always. They always have defined different ways. As long as it does not create fear. Because we come in love. That is the promise that we have made, not only to the Trinity, but to ourselves. That is our pledge, that we operate under.
SB: All right. Thank you –
G: There are many species, many galaxies, but our pledge is unified.
SB: That leads me into the next question. Rather than ask them singly I’m going to read them out to you, and you can answer them collectively.
Some listeners want to know how many ships are around the Earth presently, why they can’t be seen. Are they all manned by galactic humans? And why is the Ascension of so much interest to others?
G: Well, at any given time – I do not want to overwhelm you, but – there are levels, layers of ships. You cannot see them all, but you see many of them in your night sky. There are – when you compile the what we would call motherships with the science ships, the healing ships, the small explorer ships, what you think of as space bicycles – oh, we have millions of ships. Now, over, right directly over? Within reaching distance? We would have about, oh, 16,000.
We are in constant rotation, while there are some that have never come too close. They are manned by what you think of as humans, galactic humans. I myself am Hussian [sp?], but I appear as human. We all appear as human. And certainly for the time being –
SB: What does Hussian…? What does Hussian mean, Grener? What do you –
G: Hussian is an ancient race. It is an ancient race. You are familiar with it, you just do not know it. We look, we have a tendency to look – although in human form, humanoid form, very catlike.
SB: Such as the –
G: As the Hathor.
SB: As the Hathor? All right. Thank you.
G: So, there are many of us. And yes, we will all look familiar. Now, those of you who come to visit with us will have options to see many different kinds of allies. But most of us appear very human. You’re a little taller, perhaps a little broader. But not significantly different.
SB: Will we be permitted to tape-record and take photos?
SB: And should we purchase tape-recorders and cameras, or do you have equipment on board that –
G: Oh, we have lots of equipment that we can loan you, and give you, actually. Then you can bring the equipment back too, and that will give them something to look at it, will it not?
SB: Oh, yes. Indeed it will. And would it be compatible with our equipment here?
G: Yes. We can do those adjustments. We have no problem doing that.
SB: By thought?
G: No, by technology. We will give you what you think of as adapters.
SB: All right. Will we on the third dimension, the fifth dimension, seventh dimension, eleventh dimension?
G: You will not go the eleventh dimension. We will not go – it is very unlikely that we will go beyond the seventh. But it will also feel and you will have an experience, a physical third dimensional experience, but it will shift and you will know what it is like to be in the fifth or the seventh. Or the sixth, for that matter.
SB: Now one of our team members has said that we would need to take a pill, and I know from my readings of the astral planes that if a person travelled higher they were put in a protective covering, etcetera. Is there some procedure such as that that would be taken to allow us to be on the fifth or sixth or seventh dimension?
G: What we do is we place you in the – first we attune you in the healing chambers, and we make sure that everything is in alignment so that you would not be suffering any physical effects. You would feel that you are a little, at times, light headed. But we can adjust that as well.
SB: All right. Is there anything that I –
G: In the direction that you need.
SB: I’m sorry?
G: We have no desire for any of you to experience a moment of illness.
SB: All right. Thank you. Is there anything that I haven’t asked you that the people who go on this trip should know?
G: Yes. Because I have seen it in my own forces, as I said. I used to be the commander. Now, when you are about to embark on a mission, whether it is a day, an hour, or a thousand years, you get nervous. You get a little antsy and maybe even a teensy bit frightened. Just breathe. We would never, ever do anything that would place you, or any of you, at risk. This is a joy ride. Quite literally. This is something we haven’t done in thousands of years! [laughs]
SB: And just for our listeners, when you say breathe, breathing actually breaks up fear patterns, right, by expanding the chest?
SB: Is that why you tell us to breathe?
G: Keep breathing. And we always like the [halyon? halion?], the midnight blue and gold. If you are frightened, ask Michael to come with you. He will.
SB: Wonderful. Thank you, Grener. We’re looking forward to our trip with a great deal of anticipation. Thank you for coming here today and addressing us.
G: Thank you for having me. Farewell.